Here is what I am thinking..

[CinaSinclaire]

Dear Tuchuk..

This first part is directed to amanda.
When we all went to get the  clay and  mud we had a great time good  job  smiles..
I think that I said   during the trip that when we got back  ..1 when you were done with  your normal  task and No Frees needed to be served   ..then and Only then you and "I" would work together on the pottery..

2 when I came in last night you were  working at   My clan wagon with OUT my permission.. and Being    that any slave needs to ask  to  do so or to touch a  Free belongs that  is why I had the issue with,,that and you having an injury that made your  ribs  sore  bruised  and painfull. and I know  in r/t  how hard   shells can be and  that crushing  grinding them up is a hard  job to do..

I know the night befor  that you were told to see a healer about them..I did not  wish to see you further  your injury.. So while it was   in a  way  cool that you know what your doing with pottery it was not  cool to do so with out  checking with me as to what I wished  done..

2 I am abit taken back  by what happend with  some of the others in camp.. First I  know  what One can  and can not  do as far as  punishment, I know other  FW have whipped beated and punished slaves  for  wrong  doing  ..I was In no way walking down that Path with amanda,, and had I been left to  deal with the problem instead of having   rank pulled on Me ((YES any Free Man OF the Home has a  higher place  than Me ))  and  trust Me I am not   showing any  disrespect of any  kind  here  so that is noted,,I was  going to  deal with it  this manner...as I said to amanda  as I said to Amber.. and may have   said  to Arlon.. My punishment  was Not   alowing amanda  to serve me in camp  not to  speak to me till such time as she showed that she  had  come to understand that No slave  touches a  frees belonging with out asking and getting permission..

As to the caging.. Being  that Arlon said   she  could not be punished that she has to be placed into a cage.. and  that being said  the (( Free Man Arlon said  at that point in time He was the highest ranking  Free Man in the room and would  cage her  till Ubar or  Council came in..  shrugs,, ))

Then Amber came in   Question me about what happend I did My best to explain that No I did not ask   for  the slave to be caged  and I said what I felt her punishment   should be,, and   I had no  real opinion  as to  should  she have been caged or not,, being I said what I thought and how I wished  amanda  punished

Now   with all this being said.. I will point out that I was told By Kelsey and I hope I am not talking out of  turn here,, that if amanda  did a  bad  serve or was not  doing as she  should  that I was to speak up and  redirect her  into  doing  and serving as she should.. How is amanda  going to learn if I  stay  quiet and  dont give her feed  back,, so   last night when that all went  down In My  own mind I was fallowing the Instructions Of  one I feel is a Mentor and should Fallow her adivice on things..Again Kelsey I hope I am not  speaking out of  line here..

 So let me finish this with,, This is not an attack on any one  I am not bad mouthing any one.. Not judging any one  its Just how I see and   what I  think about what Happend  last night..
When I can I will go back to Kelsey when   she is around and get Further  guidance on how I should handle  these matters 
  Thank You

Cina

[Raziel]

You did as you should have with amanda to begin with. 

A man stepping in a situation like that is within his rights as a man.  Probably not the wisest thing to do until the full story is learned but he made an attempt to jump back into the roleplay, without looking.
Amber, being an assistant slave coordinator was trying to get the story as she is just as responsible for the slaves learning as any member of the coordinators.

What did look bad was how you answered and then it appeared you got perturbed and walked away.  Know this that Amber was doing her job and trying to deal with the slave.  Kelsey would do the same but would you walk away from her?

From my perspective, you did right.  Just try to take a breather and understand that not everyone is trying to step on your toes.

Raz

[kelsey]

Cina:

Your issues with amanda were valid.   Since I was not an eyewitness to what happened, I am not going to comment on what went down in the room.  I do agree with Raziel that a free man can step in any time in a situation like this.

Now then, a word about punishment of camp slaves, because I think something has gotten lost here in translation.  I can't find it in the pages so it may be on the laws board, but I do believe that a camp slave is not to be whipped or otherwise physically harmed (a slap doesn't count as physical harm).  They are to be caged and the matter directed to the Ubar, a Council member or a member of the training team.

Cina, the punishment you imposed on amanda is perfectly fine as it did not involve any physical harm to the property of the Ubar.  If it had been me, I would have done what you did and then let her know that the incident would be reported and that Ubar, Council Member or coordinator would decide if additional punishment was warranted.  I have, in fact, seen several instances of this exact punishment of a slave by others.  It is always your choice as to whether a slave serves you or not.

As a general note, slaves are not going to learn if we, as Free People, do not tell them when they have been displeasing.  If we as Free People don't take an interest in them. 

Kelsey

[Arlon]

Cina,

I think I have broached this subject in a private message, but I shall do so more fully here. Yes, I was within my rights as a free man of Tuchuk to step in, and at the time believed this the best course of action. Information gathered since then (and a long conversation with Amber yesterday) has led me to believe those actions may perhaps have been premature, at least in regards to my quite unintentionally stepping on your toes. Trust me, that was not my intention.
What was my intention, as I believe I mentioned to you yesterday in private message, was to teach a slave who might become a very good slave someday, that there are consequences to her actions. She touched a Free's possessions without permission; ignored repeated posts by that same Person; and was doing chores while another slave was serving and there were other Free left to be served. ( I did not, at the time, connect the PM that was posted into the room with the fact that kiah was serving at the time that the PM was sent; nor for that matter, with the fact that unless I remember improperly, it was myself she was serving, so I do not include that in the list of behaviors I was trying to correct.) It was for the combination of all these things, not entirely jsut for touching Your things without permission, that I felt she should be caged and dealt with by Council.

I do apologize to You, Cina, for not making these things clearer at the time, and to All for not having the time r/t to remain and cage amanda myself or log my reasons completely in the Cagings thread.

amanda. I see in you the potential to become an excellent slave, as once I saw the same thing in kiah. In order for this to happen however, you need to get your pretty little head out of your ass and pay attention to what people who are trying to teach you are saying. kiah did this, and look at the awesome slave she has become as a result. you have the intelligence and the skill with words, as proven by your posts in the room the other night, to be a marvelous slave, if you will apply those gifts correctly. Please do so, while Those training you still have the patience to help you correct your bad habits. I will help as I can, but I am not a trainer or Coordinator so kindly bear that in mind.

Cina, again, I was not trying to step on your toes. I simply saw a complex situation that, to Me, warranted attention from Those assigned to train the erring slave. I do again apologize to You for not explaining my reasoning to you more fully at the time; in that much, at least, I believe I was in the wrong and I am Man enough to admit this. However, I still believe I was right to have the girl caged for Amber's attention. It was simply a thing that needed to be done.


Arlon