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here is My problem. My 11 yr old son takes the bus to school. he likes to play games... his friends have hand held games or cell phones with games... they charge him $1 a day to play. on numerous occasions he has taken money from My wallet so that he can pay them... this time it was $274.00... grounding doesn't work. taking his toys away doesn't work. anyone have suggestions on what to do? I have threatened with calling the police but he still does it. maybe calling the police is the only choice I have. maybe if he sees the inside of a jail he might get the idea. I dint know what to do. I know that I dint have the money for him to be held in the youth facility.. but nothing his Father and I do work anymore...
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Re: I need help.... anyone that knows Law or anyone in general. PLEASE
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »
What cost is there to hold him in a youth facility?

Sis... I hate to say it, but your son is a criminal. If he steals from you to get what he wants now without any sort of punishment or rehabilitation for his wrong doing, what will stop him from doing the same, worse, or disregarding any law at all as he gets older.

Had I a son that did that to me, I would already be in jail for breaking all his damn fingers and possibly both his arms. Then he would not be able to sit comfortably for at least 4 - 6 months if then.

If you can't put him in lockdown for whatever reason... create a lockdown at home. He goes to school and then straight home. He changes and begins his daily regime of sweeping, mopping, trash, rack making, then the same basic meals without any treats, homework that is checked, then lights out and door locked until morning. The only privacy he gets is taking a dump, and even then the door is watched. He is never left alone for any reason. He will do his own laundry or wear his clothes dirty and sleep in dirty sheets. If he want s to eat, he does the dishes. No work no reward of any kind. Consider a dollar a day fair compensation if he does his work. In 247 days he is paroled... IF he conducted himself properly.

Actually... best to have his ass locked up for awhile before he becomes an adult and things escalate.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 07:49:14 PM »
I talked to his Dad about it. Our son was thinking he could shovel neighbors driveways and that. Dad was said to charge what the customer thought was fair. the money from that would go straight to Us instead of his pocket(son's idea) until its paid back.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 12:46:22 AM »
First how old is he?  Second, you might want to bring the subject up to the principal but don't make the fuss about him playing but about cell phones and games being played while at a learning institution.  You don't want to let the principal and such thinking you don't have control of your son.  Third, take everything away from him remotely related to electronics.  TV's, radio, etc.  He would have to earn all that after a period of no sooner than 8 to 10 weeks.  Fourth, more than likely being socially accepted with all the other kids who have these devices is important as well as having what they have so much he is willing to steal and give them the money.  Perhaps suggesting to him that you will have a talk with all those kids on the bus, while he is on there might shame him enough to start listening.  Not saying actually doing it, but the threat of it.  Also speak with the local sheriff's dept.  They usually have a youth program for troubled kids on the wrong path, like the TV show beyond scared straight.  Those are generally free because it is a community offered program.  If all else fails, cut his ass.

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 05:17:39 AM »
I don't offer a solution. I do offer my support. I'm proud of you for asking for help. Parents often feel they are a failure if they can't solve their own problems. This is not true. I hope you are lucky enough to have your husband's full support. Children are famous for sensing division and will use it to their advantage. I also hope that you have the strength to follow thru with any decisions you make. It is gratifying to witness changes in your child. It fills you with hope yet can cause a parent to soften. Don't! As hard as it is, you can't. I'm glad you are taking steps to change his behavior. You've probably already explored changing the busing situation. I just wonder how much pressure is on him from his "friends" for the $/day portion of the problem. I'm sure you can teach him how to cope with that as well. It can be scary to involve the police, school or social services. Perhaps by you initiating it, you can keep some control over it. Better you approach them than wait for them to approach you? I do know it can be hard to get them back out of your life when things seem to be back on track. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I'm just speaking from experience. Please continue to speak, here, in private, in real life, or if you prefer, anonymously in support group message boards. There are many parents who have gone thru much heartache with their children and while it may not solve your family's problem, knowing others have similar experiences or completely different ones but with similar feelings, can help you get thru the day. You aren't alone. You are a good parent. He can still be a good kid and probably is, most of the time. Keep trying. Keep pushing. Keep going forward and drag him along with you.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 12:22:11 PM »
I talked to his Dad about it. Our son was thinking he could shovel neighbors driveways and that. Dad was said to charge what the customer thought was fair. the money from that would go straight to Us instead of his pocket(son's idea) until its paid back.

Okies...

Seems he wishes to make restitution. Good.

However... is there remorse for what he has done? Is he sorry he did it or sorry he got caught?

Does he realise the ramifications of his actions?

There is so much more here to consider, and be considered than simply the deed of stealing. It may well require going back to square one with simple trust issues. He must realise what he has done is not a matter just to be fixed by repayment of the stolen goods. Does he realise in some places around the world he would be canned until he could no longer walk, and that it could take months before he could walk again... if he was even able to walk normally again the rest of his life? Does he realise that in some parts of the world he would have his hand cut off in public for his crime? No amount of crying or begging would change that. Kneel him down, chop it off, stop the bloodflow and he is on his own. In some places he would be killed outright for this. He has been extremely lucky if he stops to consider things.

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 02:37:21 PM »
he is 11 years old
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2013, 02:41:36 PM »
lastnight I told him that in some countries, they do cut your hands off. and eventually even executed if you do it too many times. in other countries, they don't bother with cutting off your hands, they just flat out kill you. he says he knows. I have initiated the process to have him observed for ADD/ADHD in school. his older brother has one of them. I cant remember which. and his sister showed signs of it as well at one time. I cant tell if he is remorseful or not. I know that when I was talking to him lastnight, I saw a tear starting. unfortunately that's all I saw... just 1...
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2013, 08:04:38 PM »
If you can, try some of the things I suggested as well as talk with the school resource officer if your county has those for the schools like in our state.  We do things a little different here in the South and as such are firm believers in spare the rod spoil the child concept.  And being a police officer, my daughters know and understand right from wrong, its making the 1.5 year old actually care about it and do it which is the tough part.  LOL.

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2013, 09:09:11 PM »
We have tried grounding him, taking his access to TV, computer, etc... all that away from him. he doesnt have a TV in his room. doesnt have a phone of his own, nor a computer. We have tried talking to the liason officer in the school. but that was a grade school. I just dont know what to do anymore to get him to understand that he cant be stealing from people.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2013, 11:11:59 PM »
I agree with my True. Spare the rod and spoil the child.

At his age, my parents naturally saw to my needs. For any extras, as soon as I was big enough in size my Father provided me with a pushmower a gas can and two dollars to get me started. If I wanted something bad enough... I had to earn it. By the end of my very first summer "working", I paid him back for the mower, can, and the two dollars, as well as buying my own rake, and bags for fall leaves, and a shovel for winter.

In one years time I had my own bank account and the high point of my week was saturday mornings when I made my weekly trip to the bank. At times, my parents would step in and "gift" me financially for a few things I had really been working for, and I was grateful but never just assumed they would help. I had my chores at home, and was never given an allowance. The chores were looked upon as my cost of living.

I worked pretty much my whole life and work was always plentiful. I grew up in the country with a farm across the road, and another just through the woods behind my house. Our neighbors all worked and were happy to not have to worry about their yardwork getting done. It was done every time on time for the weekends and holidays weather permitting. Eventually I reached the point I could even carry them a couple weeks at a time if we did not hook up for payment.

I purchased my own TV, stereo, albums, reel to reel and reels, and 8-tracks (did I just date myself? LOL). I even purchased my own video system... a Columbia House system I think it was. Black and white, visuals sucked by today's standards, but back then it was really something. By the time I was his age my Parents bought my school clothes only because they did not fully approve of my choice of attire. By the time I hit HS... they gave me two new pairs of Levi's and two nice shirts for school and one suit as needed for dress occasions. I handled the rest on my own. I bought my own vehicles and bike... kept working as well as participating in extracurricular activities and sports in school, kept up my grades, and maintained my bank account.

Not bragging... just saying sis, that responsibility does not come naturally. I did not want to start working when I did. I wanted to keep playing with the other kids. Watching them having fun while I was doing work for their parents sucked, but once I got to realise what independence I had making my own money, and being able to buy what I wanted, (With parental guidance until I learned) I started to enjoy it. Not always the work, but the work was the means to an end. Soon I preferred work over play as I never got payed to play. I learned the value of a dollar, and the added responsibility at an early age really helped grow me up fast. I am still a kid at heart, and I hope I never lose that, but it is never to soon to shoulder responsibilities. Even a two YO can have responsibilities such as placing dirty clothes in the hamper to be washed, brushing their teeth and cleaning up before bed, etc. It is the responsibility itself... not necessarily the size of the responsibility. That will grow along with them. How would your Son feel if having worked hard for money he has set aside to buy something, it was stolen. Now it is gone. Nobody will just replace it free for him. He is out his money. Period... and in the process what he wanted to buy is now gone as well.

He seems to have alot to learn sis. Do your best to teach him. He will be old enough to start driving in a few years... and with that comes life and death decisions. He is by far not a lost cause. Knowing you as I do, he has a good foundation. Just rein him in and sit on him until he gets back on track. If he won't respect and obey the laws of the land or at home... fearing the penalty of breaking the laws of the land or home may serve just as well.

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2013, 10:38:57 AM »
Both Bro's have said it the best. Though perhaps him having a cell was premature, and now he will have to earn it back. My kids are 11 and 9. The cellphone subject has been brought up as well. As much as Id like to do it for them, were not allowing it until they work and earn the added perk of being an adult. But holllly crap did we ever hear it at first. But.....at the end of the day, there is no instruction manual for raising perfect humans. Trial by fire. Wish you the best on this sis. *leaves a hug*
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2013, 04:08:34 PM »
I will keep you in my prayers.  When I was 16 a Superior Court judge told my mother I was a menace to society. I went down wrong roads, learned the hard way every time.

Today, I work in a Police Dept., and I see kids like I was and like your son every day. I also see the adults they become. The ones whose parents made the efforts to instill right and wrong even if it means resorting to harsh measures come out better for it. The ones whose parents don't invest that time, energy, and the "crime and punishment" methods, not so much.

Just do the best you can, lead by example, and remember that some kids, no matter how hard you try, are kissed by the devil and will grow up into rotten little woobies no matter your best effort. That does not mean to give up on your best efforts, it just means keep trying.

No matter what, don't provide bail money.. lol I learned a lot faster when the "cosmic baseball bat" hit me upside the head with the fact that I was costing myself money and that Mom wasn't gonna make excuses for my bad behavior nor was she gonna bail me out of the consequences.

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