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Offline Ayelen

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To "Tal" or Not to "Tal"
« on: April 09, 2006, 01:47:55 PM »
Be it humbler to say "Greetings" than to say "Tal"? 

John Norman teaches us that "Tal" is Gorean for "Greetings".

The misnomer is that the word was solely used by frees. There are certain things that slaves may not use, such as titles, when greeting or speaking to frees.

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The girls stood straight, proud under the gaze of a warrior. "Tal, Master," said many of them, as I rode slowly by. --Tribesmen of Gor, p. 344

We had seen no other human beings since our escape. We had slept by day in Ka-la-na thickets, and moved southwestward by night.  Ute had not wished to build fires, but I had insisted upon it.  We could not eat our catches raw.   "Tal," cried Ute, greeting me as a free person.
-- Captive of Gor, p 237

Now, look at that last quote and this is where it gets confusing, I suppose, by the statement that Ute had greeted Elinor as a free person. However, if you look at the quote carefully, you will see why. Ute never referred to Elinor as "Mistress" but rather greeted her as an equal with the single word as frees do among each other.

The use of the word "Tal" is one of those Gorean words that John Norman didn't stay in consistency with throughout his books, often replacing the Gorean word with the English word. But that was done to bring to new readers that definition of the GOREAN word "TAL" versus the ENGLISH word "GREETINGS"

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Tal, Kajirae!" cried one of the men, waving.
-- Captive of Gor, pp. 86-87

"Tal, Master," they said to me.
"Tal, Slave Girls," I said to them.
-- Tribesmen of Gor, p. 345 

"Tal, El-in-or," smiled Ute
Captive of Gor, p. 245

 
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Re: To "Tal" or Not to "Tal"
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2006, 02:20:01 PM »
A further quote on the fact that, as a free person's perogative, only the single word might be used in greeting, even among strangers:

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"Tal," I said to two guardsmen who crouched at the side of a fire, playing Stones, a guessing game in which one person must guess whether the number of stones held in the fist of another is odd or even.

"Tal," said one guardsman.  The other, attempting to guess the stones, did not even look up.

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Re: To "Tal" or Not to "Tal"
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 04:38:06 PM »
As far as I'm concerned any greeting if done so respectfully is appropriate.

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Re: To "Tal" or Not to "Tal"
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 01:49:17 PM »
it seems to have go astray a bit.. is using "tal" humbler?..
as opposed to is it common or right..

another way of loooking at it might be that tal
is either a formal greeting that slaves would not
normaly use everyday.. or that it is shuch and informal
greeting that it borders on disrespect "hiya! how ya
doing there" type of thing

for me the bottom line is..does it please the Free

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Re: To "Tal" or Not to "Tal"
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 05:13:45 PM »
Use tal.

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Re: To "Tal" or Not to "Tal"
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 05:48:52 PM »
yes and thank You very much for Your Instruction Master
..you can not grasp it.
 You can  only touch the  fire and be seared by it,  even destroyed  in it's embrace, but never can you hold it, not for a heartbeat.